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" ... But not everyone is convinced that organic is the best way to go. Various sustainability programs are becoming more and more popular among wine producers, like integrated pest management (IPM) and the French HVE (haute valeur environnementale). In all sustainability programs, the idea is, just as in organic farming, to work proactively. But conventional products are allowed if the need arises. Some sustainable producers do not think this is any worse than using copper. And, they say, today's synthetic products cannot be compared with those used 20-30 years ago. ... "